THE GUILD

James Forrest · Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:16 pm Post subject:

That is great work Mr Collins, thanks for the modelling tips too.

C_Collins · Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:24 pm Post subject:

ALLIES PUSH INLAND FROM BRIDGEHEAD

Report: Allan Wood.

Hehe, couldn't resist that.

A slight Photoshopping of everyones favorite shot, sepia toned and the base of Our Hero, Mr Atkins, obscured by digital smudging.

Thomas: I tried moving Mr Atkins about in an attempt to hide his base but the depth of focus of my camera was not great enough, I'm using a Fujifilm compact dig (s5500), not some fancy pants DSLR, I probably need the screw in macro lense to do what you suggest.

I also tried shooting at 20mm eye-level but it gave me nothing that I was terribly impressed by, though the general standard of photography I'm achieving is improving.

thomastmcc · Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 2:06 pm Post subject:

looks good mate...

i have been playing about with it too .. trying to hide the scrub at the figures feet make it look like the gravel but i keep getting lines ..where i copy the gravel from ..
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Laurence Strong · Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 1:52 am Post subject:

Very nice. Thanks for the cam net tutorial Smile

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Gabriel Landowski · Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 10:12 pm Post subject:

Now *thats* some nice stuff there...
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lagooner10 · Traveller Joined: 28 Jan 2008 Posts: 2

Hi, I am doing research on my father's regiment (2nd Household Cavalry) and was interested to know the significance of the white circles you have painted on the vehicles. Also, do you have a visual reference for the various insignia on the front of the vehicles you could send me?

My father was in both the little Daimler vehicles and a Matador I believe, however he mentioned they had the Guards Armoured Division "Eye" on their vehicles.

Thanks for your time

Simon

C_Collins · Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:37 am Post subject:

It would be a pleasure, sir!

they're squadron markings, often they're seen on the turrets of armoured vehicles. The guards typically applied them to the hulls of their vehicles, so failing any clear evidence thaty might contradict that, i chose to do the same, due to the guards armoured div connection to the 2nd household cavalry regt, despite the fact that they were officially corps level troops. Most photographs indicate that the squadron markings were either absent or obscured by mud, sowage, srim, cheering belgians waving flags....

Normally they would be coloured to denote the seniority of the regiment with in a brigade (yellow, red, blue, green IIRC), as the household cav were an unbrigaded regiment, just like the welsh guards, they used white markings.

each squadron was denoted by the geometric shape of the squadron marking. upright triangle= A squadron, square= b squadron, circle= C squadron, solid narrow vertical rectangle= d squadron (rare), diamond(small square on its point)= HQ. Sometimes troop/vehicle numbers were used within the squadron marking.

For further information on this subject I recommend either George Forty's 1939-45 british army handbook (flawed but useful), or the "histoire and collections" The British tommy D-day to ve-day volume 2.

I hope this helps.
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C_Collins · Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:00 am Post subject:

I also recommend the Osprey Vanguard, The Guards Armoured Division.

the yellow circle with the number in black is the bridge class number, displaying the approximate weight of the vehicle on tons (tonnes?), the 44 on blue/green is the regimental marking indicating its of the reconnisance corps (blue/green), the 44 means "armored car regiment", the fact that the regiment was considered a corps unit was indicated by the white strip on top of the regimental markings.

the white mounted charging knight on a red rectangle is 8th corps, the markings the regiment wore during market-garden, despite it being attached to 30 corps (that marking was worn on the crews battledress during this campaign, a leaping boar on a white circle on a black square background).

I didn't bother with the vehicle sensus numbers.
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lagooner10 · Traveller Joined: 28 Jan 2008 Posts: 2

Thank you for taking the time to reply. Your explanation is very thorough and helpful. All the markings you have on your models suggest this is exctly my father's regiment, other than I don't know yet which squadron he was in, but I will ask him.

I looked into buying the Osprey book you mention, but its out of print. I think, however, that my father may have a copy.

Thank you again.

Simon

C_Collins · Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:16 pm Post subject:

Well I'm pleased to be a help, though don't show him the pictures above, as he'd be horrified by how close those vehicles are! should be a good 50-100m apart.

Cheers.
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C_Collins · Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:26 pm Post subject:

Also regarding the guards book by osprey, while it has been around for many years, osprey do every so often reprint old texts as I picked up my copy brand new only a few years ago (~2004), I'd try ebay or amazon.

Guards Eyes on daimlers/matadors, not sure about that. unless they were considered div troops at some point during the war or immediately afterwards.
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