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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 7:36 pm    Post subject: FlakPz III Reply with quote

I found an article on a 1/35 model of this and just had to add it to my collection of Pz III's. Matchbox kit converted to M hull, Eidai Wirbelwind turret reworked to the correct shape and CMK tracks.




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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

another wonderful find !!!

i assume this is a one off beastie ???

a field conversion , not standard production ????
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rolfe, They were intended to be the Flak Platoon vehicles in StuG Brigades and would have been in series production/conversion. Bob reckons that three StuG Brigades (244 x2, 341 x 3 and 667 x 4) had them in March/April 45. There may also have been a version with the Ostwind turret but that would have been a tight fit with its Tiger turret ring, it looks fine on a model though.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nice work alan ..
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very nice work. I look forward to seeing it finished and crewed.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alanmccoubrey wrote:
Rolfe, They were intended to be the Flak Platoon vehicles in StuG Brigades and would have been in series production/conversion. Bob reckons that three StuG Brigades (244 x2, 341 x 3 and 667 x 4) had them in March/April 45. There may also have been a version with the Ostwind turret but that would have been a tight fit with its Tiger turret ring, it looks fine on a model though.


Nice model Alan, those Eidai/Grip turrets are a dog to correct Confused Confused

But wouldn't this be a one off?

I know that a couple (or more) of turrets were made, but were they assembled?

It's also true that those StuG Brig refer on their Gliederungen and Meldungen the presence of FlakpzIII, but couldn't them be field mounted Flak 38 on old PzIII chassis?


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Faustnik, They could be field conversion but where in March 45 would they have found that number of Pz III ready to run without a factory overhaul ? Bob has told me that 18 turrets were allocated.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very nice work Alan. Should look great on the table shooting at Typhoons.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Woo hoo Alan Cool Cool , another one I haven't seen before!! May just have to folllow suit and do one too....... Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

any pics of this beastie?

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

panzerfaust200 wrote:
any pics of this beastie?

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Nope just some hints in German documents
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alanmccoubrey wrote:
Faustnik, They could be field conversion but where in March 45 would they have found that number of Pz III ready to run without a factory overhaul ? Bob has told me that 18 turrets were allocated.


In early 1945 their are a lot of PzIII still available, either in local armour schools or even in operational units - around 200-300 if I'm correct.

So access to PzIII hulls could be easy, and as StuGIII was still in production components for local overhaul could be get.

I'm not stating that such a conversion could exist, I'm only referring the possibility of another solution.

Following Nuts&Bolts on the FlakpanzerIV, while they stated that 18 turrets were allocated to the Art. branch, that didn't mean that they produced them, indeed the Artillerie started to study and producing their own version using Ostbau drawings and specifications, but if they produced them, who knows?

Only several russian publications - published after 1993 - present some drawings on a FlakpanzerIII - Armata & Frontline - and all with a 3,7cm Flak43 turret.

But they also present a lousy picture - fake? - of a PzIII hull, with side skirts and a 2cm Flak38 or 3cm Flak 103/38 assembled on top, so both options are open.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thx a lot Allen, I was pretty happy with my 50 or so projects.

Now it's 50 or so + 1


(Parts from scrap and leftovers...Hasegawa turret, Armourfast hull....and styrene to make sure it all lines up plus a set of Schurzen to cover those unsightly roadwheels from prying eyes)

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know its a what if...

But none of the PzKfw-IV based FlaK Pz has Shurtzen so it seems unlikely that based on the III would have had either.

The wheels ain't that bad...
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But none of the PzKfw-IV based FlaK Pz has Shurtzen so it seems unlikely that based on the III would have had either.


Merde. I was suggesting it to cover up the road wheels a bit as they do look like they have no back section....so I'd better get busy with mud then.

But you are right, it's a reasonable kit, and it was in my spares bin...box....cupboard Rolling Eyes anyway.

And it looks more suitable and lo-tek to me for my possible 1946 stuff then my Kugelblitz thats gathering dust behind me. Pity this does mean ordering even more models as I have no crew for it....ponder ponder.

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