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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:13 pm    Post subject: IS-2 rear glacis adornment Reply with quote

Hi All

Looking at the rear of these IS-2s you can see some cloths. Air recognition panels? National flags used as such? Any other suggestions and any comments most welcome. TIA

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wow!

first a daft question Chris, where and when is the pic from?

is it inconcievable that the russians used air recog panels as the frontlines of the allies grew closer? to avoid "friendly fire" from each others ground attack vehicles

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keeping the engines warm? - unlikely as the weather looks mild, but maybe left over from colder conditions.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

diapers?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rob, The agreed inter-allied air roecognition wasn't panels, the Germans had too many of those, it was lots of white paint, either the large turret top cross or the star. As far as this pic goes these would appear to me to be flags as there is nothing that needs the protection of a "tarp" under them, just an access plate.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

panzerfaust200 wrote:
wow!

first a daft question Chris, where and when is the pic from?

is it inconcievable that the russians used air recog panels as the frontlines of the allies grew closer? to avoid "friendly fire" from each others ground attack vehicles

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Rob - it taken from M.Svirin (2000) 'The IS tanks'. Armada 6. ExPrint Publications, Moscow. It is captioned "Soviet IS tanks of the 1st Byelorussian Front in Pomerania, 1945". There are a couple of other pics in the same book that showing similarly draped vehicles, this time captioned as being in Hungary.

The Soviet infantry certainly were supposed to have air recognition panels - they are described in manuals and there was a whole system for placing them in certain patterns to communicate with liaison aircraft. I've never come across a reference to them and armoured units. Hence my interest.

Will - a very good point. Where they are placed they cover the two circular (and armoured) engine access hatches.To save heat they might be better placed on the top of the rear deck?

Another use that has occured to me is I wonder if they are for convoy duty (but the Hungary pic doesn't show them in a line on a road, but advancing tactically across a field). If brightly coloured could these 'sheets' aid the following driver in fog or at night?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris, How about ground recognition flags to stop trigger happy Panzerfaust armed Red infantry from shooting them ?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alanmccoubrey wrote:
Rob, The agreed inter-allied air roecognition wasn't panels, the Germans had too many of those, it was lots of white paint, either the large turret top cross or the star. As far as this pic goes these would appear to me to be flags as there is nothing that needs the protection of a "tarp" under them, just an access plate.


I thought the same Alan, because they have the right proportions for just that. I do hesitate for a moment though. The lack of any apparent markings on the 'flag', no hammer, no sickle, no writing, makes me wonder.

Still, what matters is that I can justify putting these on the back of my IS-2s Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alanmccoubrey wrote:
Chris, How about ground recognition flags to stop trigger happy Panzerfaust armed Red infantry from shooting them ?


Another excellent thought!

But why would you put it on the back? Can't find any pics with it on the front or sides.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris, I'd put it at the back because tanks often leave the infantry behind and also because I can see better to the front.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

they seem to be there to cover the 2 circular hatches - ''maybe'' there are issues such as the hatches aren't waterproof ??
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking at the pic again, I'm wondering if that's a Hammer and Sickle in the bottom right corner of the 'flag' on the nearest vehicle.The original pic is much bigger .....

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

your eyesight is good chris - i can't see that .. Cool

but look at the way the covers dip ( on both tanks ) - maybe those hatch covers are missing
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pg 4o shows it clearly not a flag

Bottom pg 37 shows interesting stowage
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