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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:58 pm    Post subject: Question on Israel vs Hamas and Hezbollah rockets Reply with quote

For the past few years the Israeli's seem to be having a lot of difficulty with rocketattacks by Hamas and Hezbollah. Allthough the northern borders are reasonably quiet now I believe, there seems to be no stopping the Hamas Qassam and Katyusja launches.

I was wondering why not? Shouldn't it be fairly simple to use 'artillery hunting radars' or 'couter-battery sensors' or whatever you want to call them, to locate the position of the firers, track them with UAV's to their lairs or just destroy them instantly with standby airsupport?

I'm assuming the Israeli's must have systems like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARTHUR_%28military%29 so, are they just not using them right or am I missing something here?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most of the RLs are single rockets. Fire one rocket pack up & leg it before retaliation arrives

If using a big MRL fire it from near a villiage so any CB fire lands on innocent civilians

UAVs are not fast enough to get to the launch site before the enemy have legged it
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, off course, but surely the Israeli's must have located likely launch sites by now, reducing an allready small search area (the Gaza strip is really tiny).

You are right about the relative lack of speed of UAV's, so you would need quite a few number of UAV's or observation helicopters or high altitude observation planes to be able to monitor the entire northern Gaza strip permanently. But I'm guessing that shouldn't be a problem for the Israeli's?

The whole thing relies on speedy relay of information, so perhaps that's where the problem is?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They do counter battery strikes, or used to, I know the UN were complaining because of the strikes on villages and other civilians by Israel.

Basicly if you are a rocket team you are going to do it in a place where the enemy wont just blast you to bits (in villages, schools and hospitals etc).

The other problem is the attacks really are random just fired blind into Israel. Not really causeing damage, more 'were still here' harrassment. If Israel did do another strike against the rockets (it took a full scale invasion last time iirc) the international community gets very cross.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, just blasting away at launch sites wouldn't be very smart of the Israeli's, but as I said, following them to their lairs might be even more useful.

But, I guess it would be almost impossible to find them if they slip into a nearby house or car in a few minutes.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In a BUA the UAV will lose track as soon as they go in to a building...
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bob and Elhiem are absolutely spot on. Same issues in Iraq and to a lesser extent Afghanistan. Best cure for mobile mortar and rocket teams in BUAs are covert OPs on the ground capable of either directing precision fires or interdicting with proactive/reactive ambush. Also obviously the most dangerous option for the guys themselves...
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a pic of a rocket launcher rail built onto the roof of a hospital... Kinda makes counter-fire a problem... (although in that case it was taken out by a Israeli strike without harming the patients!).
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If i was launching single rockets I'd figure out a way of doing it remotely. Set it up. Drive away. Use a mobile phone, or whatever, to launch it. Wonder if they do any of that?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris that's been used in Afghanistan I know. The effort is somehow lost however when the muj aim the rocket by bracing it on rocks... Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 8:17 pm    Post subject: rocket attacks Reply with quote

Twisted Evil i think the point is from a regular armys view point ,
that these are spradic attacks days ,weeks between them .

hit and run .

to keep a sustained search is draining on manpower even uavs will only spot when fired or if in open,heat will only show bodys not a cold structure waiting to fire .
the only way is speical ops or intel or luck .

just like irland
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